Wednesday, June 20, 2007

An Appalling Argument From the Dems

From DU: A Zygote Is Not A Human Being; This Stem Cell Veto Has Me Fuming

Once again, Mr. Bush panders to his dwindling base at the expense of millions of lives that could be saved as a result of stem cell research. Yet around 40% of Americans still believe the lie that destroying zygotes is tantamount to destroying a human life.

There is no debate here. The scientific facts regarding this issue are crystal clear. If you are one of the people who believe human life begins at conception because of so called "religious" reasons, I have to wonder where in the Bible it says or when Jesus or Allah or God or Zeus or whatever imaginary being you worship said the words "Thou shalt not remove DNA from thy zygote"

Your religious "leaders" are lying to you. A zygote is not a human being. A zygote is a cell with genetic information that has the potential to grow and develop into a human given the right environment.

Similarly, a sperm cell and an ovum also have the potential to grow and develop into a human, given the right environment, (eg. Close proximity in the latter environment), which, if followed to the religious fundamentalists' "logical" conclusion, makes every single menstruation and ejection of sperm (whether through masturbation or urination) the "killing of a human". It is absurd.

It angers and saddens me to see America - once the world's hub of scientific enlightenment - reduced to this. What happened to the America that invented the light bulb, the America that cured polio, the America that put a man on the moon?

Now, in the year 2007, there are creationist "museums", disclaimer stickers on biology textbooks regarding evolution, Arabic translators being kicked out of the military because of their sexual orientation, and the President of the United States vetoing scientific research because he and FORTY ONE PERCENT OF AMERICANS believe that a zygote is a human being.

How and when did America become a backwards theocracy? (lynyrd_skynyrd)

DUers Chime In:

--These people are a bunch of phonies, and I wouldn't be surprised if drug companies don't have some vested interest in preventing actual cures for things like diabetes, which they probably make a ton of money off of. I've seen George Bush send thousands of people to their deaths, he turned a cold shoulder to Katrina and more than a thousand people died, he's shown himself to be completely lacking in morality and compassion, despite his proclamations of being a "compassionate conservative". I know he doesn't give a damn about these embryos, he's just trying to play to his base and/or protect the big drug companies.

--Our bodies shed DNA 24/7 and don't see it as significant. Logically, that's no BFD.

--I do not murder other human beings not because I believe that all life is sacred, but because I believe it is not. Humans are a complex organism, and each individual has their own unique experiences, fears, personality. And yes, I've been "warned before" about the danger of my placing a value on sentience, as opposed to "life", but that's how I get through the day. It's why I do not have a moral objection to abortion, or euthenasia, but do oppose unnecessary wars.

--Point is, the elements that would do the most good are going to be disposed of, what difference does it make to a person of no interest? What difference does it make to the zygote?

--Yes, destroying a zygote is killing life. But its no big deal because life on its own is not what we value. Life is interesting and all. But its not the thing we give rights to. A petri dish full of skin cells cannot vote. It can't be murdered. It can't own things. Thats because it doesn't have a mind.

--Potential beings are not actual beings. Potential people have no rights.

-- Let's say bush has a stroke, but This may have been treated if stem cell research had gone ahead full steam. Years down the road, and bush, already debilitated, by the effects of said stroke, finds out he could have been cured if he had allowed said research to go on, but in his arrogance and complete misunderstanding of science, now lies in a bed, soiling himself and unable to change the channel on the TV, and the story gets looped as the greatest find in medical history, and it was so simple in retrospect, it would have been found in weeks.

This would be Justice.

The idiocy of these posts is so sadly apparent. That these dopes thinks a fertilized egg--one that, absent intervention, would develop into a human being--is not a 'life' is totally absurd. This is the hippy flipdip thinking of the Leftists, the Democrat party, who rationalize all kinds of B.S. to further their own aims.

Their lack of scientific knowledge--or plain common sense--is staggering. Their lack of moral direction is disgusting. Vote Dem in '08, and this is what you get.


Blogger The Merry Widow said...

If you read the history's of all great civilizations, they all go through this moral turpitude before they flush themselves into the sewer of history.
This lack of concern and care is distressing and the sneering, ugly attitude that is displayed is a shame to the people involved AND our society. We have sunk very far!
Just read about all the violence that took place during the Junteenth "celebrations" in different parts of the country.
The "pack animal" behavior of younger and younger teens and preteens!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!


3:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


My grandfather was an Episcipol Minister for 30 years. His first day in Seminary, a theological professor started off the class with the following statement:

"Man is no damn good"

I think about that everyday as I read reports from around the globe (and the juneteenth riots) and realize how true it is.

The best we can do is to be good people. I like individual humans, but I am not fond of large groups of them.

Peace to everyone.

5:08 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Yes, folks--over at DU, that pack of animals blames the Juneteenth nonsense on Bush...

9:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


They are blaming it on Bush when they talk about it. They tend to stay away from topics that might make them seem racist. Of course, they tend to be the most racist.

There is a thread right now talking about a Black led protest against illegal immigration. The comments are par for that course. Claims of Uncle Toms and black racism (that is new for them).

I know it is slightly masochistic, but I lurk that page all day.


11:21 AM  
Anonymous z said...

phandancer, when I watch CNN and get so upset, my husband says "you back to self mutilation again?"

If I spent a day 'luriing' at DU, I'd be six feet under! You're braver than I am, that's for sure.

And, boy, I'll bet your grandfather would be real surprised at the stances of the Episcopalian church today, huh?


1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Veri - My Grandfather is still alive at 93 (grandmother is 89). Still works out three times a week and walks twice every day. He and my grandmother are my heroes. If I could become half the man he is - I would be above all the rest.

He was always a moderate as far as the ministry. He counseled a lot of troubled souls and felt for all of them.

As for lurking on got to keep on top of the crazies. I am strong enough to do it. me 'Steel Magnolias' and I cry like a baby.

I am the classic man in conflict.

Have a cool weekend.

2:30 PM  

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