Friday, August 10, 2007

The Owner Of Democrat Underground Asks A Question:

Do You Ever Get Tired Of Hating?

(Skinner, Mr. Democrat Underground, admits he peddles hate--says he needs a nap...)

Note that I didn't ask whether you get tired of hate. I think it is pretty obvious that everyone gets tired of hate, particularly when that hate is directed at you or someone you care about. There has been a lot of hate on DU recently. (Heck, there's been a lot of hate on DU since the very beginning.) I'm certainly tired of it, and I suspect that most of you are tired of it, too.

But I'm not asking whether you get tired of that hate. Because asking if you are tired of that hate, the hate that comes from other people, isn't really much of a question at all -- the answer is obvious. Asking if you are tired of that hate lets all of us off the hook. It implies that we are all innocent bystanders, and the atmosphere of relentless negativity on this website is caused by someone else. No doubt, that is true for many of you. But for others, not so much.

So, what I'm asking is this: Do you ever get tired of hating?

I get tired of hating. (I get tired of hate, too, but that's another story.) Believe it or not, I don't actually hate very many people. I think it's safe to say that I hate George W. Bush. Other than him, off the top of my head I can't think of anyone I hate. I actually get tired of hating Bush sometimes. He certainly deserves it, and I doubt that I could stop hating the man even if I tried, which I haven't. But even hating Bush gets tiring for me sometimes. I find that I am a much happier person when I am not watching his smirking mug on my television set, or when I am not dwelling on how much I can't stand him.

I get annoyed or angry with my fellow DUers sometimes. I might go so far as to say that sometimes -- on occasion -- I might feel hate for someone. Fortunately, the feeling is almost always temporary. I sometimes get emails or private messages from people that include some indication that they think I don't like them. Maybe I locked one of your threads a while back, or deleted one of your posts, or didn't respond to an email or something. Maybe at the time I was genuinely angry or annoyed with you.

Maybe for a fleeting moment I felt hate. But as I said the feeling is almost always temporary. By the time you get around to sending me that private message or email, I have typically forgotten whatever it is that got me angry in the first place. God's honest truth: I deal with so much bullcrap as admin here that it would be virtually impossible for me to keep track of who I'm supposed to be harboring grudges against. It would also be terrible for my mental health (and probably even my physical health) to maintain that level of hate on a day-to-day basis. I learned early on that I am a much happier person if I deal with it and put it behind me.

So, yeah, sometimes I hate. And I get tired of it. It does not make me feel very good.

It is clear that there are a lot of people here on DU who are like me, and sometimes feel hate. It has been particularly true these last few days. (Fortunately these things go in cycles -- eventually it will get better, I promise. Of course, some time after that it will get bad again.) I guess I'm wondering, do you ever get tired of hating? Or is it true that some people are only happy when they are unhappy?

And if you do hate sometimes, do you act in a way that contributes to the atmosphere of pervasive and relentless negativity (or even hate) that sometimes takes hold here on Democratic Underground? Surely, you are justified if you do. There is always a good reason when we do it. So I'm not asking whether you were right, or whether that guy deserved it, because no doubt you were and he did. What I'm asking is this...

Do you ever get tired of hating? I know I do.

This question was hysterically funny to me. The biggest hate-monger on the Internet is actually wearing himself out with his own bile! Poor thang! As he sows, so shall he reap; my heart really bleeds for the guy... I guess it just hasn't dawned on him, or any of them, that they can, indeed, put better things out there. I guess they just don't have better.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hate is what Democrats and lefties call sppech, opinions, ideas and positions they either can't refute or don't agree with until the meaning of ''hate speech'' has no impact or meaning which explains why these two groups can not or will not see Islam and its teachings as ''hate''. J'Mac.

3:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what happened to jinni? J"Mac.

3:57 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Hi, J'MAC--Lemmee write him...

3:58 PM  
Blogger JINGOIST said...

Isn't it a wonderful thing when they realize this THEMSELVES!? This site has highlighted DU hate nearly every day and I get SUCH a kick out of DU's head hater coming out and saying that he's "sick & tired of hating."

This presents a dilemma for the DU wackos. What do they actually have of substance once they remove the intense emotions? In this case, hatred.

Remove the hatred and they are forced to confront the substance of the issues.

For instance, what REALLY happens to the economy when you raise the taxes of the richest 10%? DU doesn't know OR care what happens to the rest of us when the government screws the richest guys.

What REALLY happens to America when we back out of Iraq in defeat and disgrace? Who do you think they'll blame when we fight this battle in our own streets? Believe me it will NEVER occur to them that their own weakness brought this fight to our streets and malls.

These are only TWO of the issues that will have to be confronted once the leftynuts stop hating. Won't happen in this lifetime.


5:01 PM  
Blogger Les Ismore said...

So, lets ask the same question here. Do you ever get tired of hating? Does it wear you down knowing that you hate that unionized firefighter who voted for Kerry in 2004. Or does it bother you that you hate the working class parents of that kid that just shipped off to Iraq? Do you ever tire of hating that single mom who is hoping the minimum wage is raised so she can better provide for her kids?
How about it? Are you man enough to look yourself in the mirror and answer that same question?

4:00 AM  
Blogger Les Ismore said...

It will be interesting to compare and contrast the answers to the same questions between here and there. Go read the answers over at DU, some interesting thoughts.

4:08 AM  
Blogger The Merry Widow said...

less-Do you ever get sick of stupidity? Your own?
I hate only satan and his angels AND the evil they do.
I'm sorry for the miseducated that march out of our public schools with no sense.
I'm tired and frustrated with stupidity, illogic, ranting and descents into emotional cesspools.
I'm tired of dealing with people who hate America so much, and yet refuse to leave for those questionable paradises they rave about.
I'm tired of dealing wih people who have so drugged their brains, they will never be right again. And the harm they do to their families(children), neighborhoods and society in general.
I'm tired of whiners and criers who do nothing BUT, whine, cry and complain about those of us who are in the game!
I don't hate them, in many cases I pity their sorry lives that they have brought on themselves.
I'm tired of being downwind of the socially inept, I'm tired of listening to the bilge spewing out of their mouths, I'm tired of their spoiled, immature ways.
Truth is, they are contemptable, not worthy of hate.


5:44 AM  
Blogger Les Ismore said...

One of the things I have noticed is the focus of hate. I dont spend alot of time at DU, in fact the only time I go there is when Donal sends us there. However, if you read the comments there and the comments here you will notice this.
At DU most of the posters 'hate' Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and other 'leaders' (note the quotes). Here, the Duders hate people who disagree with them. Like the local cops, neighbors, their kids teachers, anyone who voted Democratic in any election. It is a different breed of hatred for sure. Much deeper and full bodied.

6:48 AM  
Blogger JINGOIST said...

Les thanks for this insight into the clouded mind of a leftist. Allow me to address your drivel in the order that it spewed from your grubby little mitts.

1. Do I tire of hating?
Not when it comes to true enemies of our country. People like Murtha, Sheehan, Reid, Glover, Belefonte and Penn wish to do serious harm to America and break bread with our enemies on a regular basis. If patriots tire of hating these vile creatures, they go unchecked. So the answer is NO when it comes to these animals.

2. Do I hate unionized firefighters who vote for Kerry?
I must admit I got a belly laugh out of that one! My son is a union fire fighter in South Florida. He told me that the union head "encouraged" all of them to vote for Kerry last election, and even the black and Mexican guys laughed. This may surprise you lessy but my son tells me that every single one he talked to voted for Bush. Firefighters and cops are patriots les.

3. Do I hate the single mom trying to raise her kids on the minimum wage?
Not at all. Depending on her circumstances I may even admire her. There is a social safety hammock, and unfortunately sometimes it serves as a disincentive to hard work and industry. Les I spent a total of 7 years as a carpet cleaner/installer. I used to work in "da hood" on a REGULAR basis, at least once a week, and I developed a loyal customer base as well as some good friends. It's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to bs me on racial issues because I've seen it up close.
Been there, done that!
Someday I may even write a book detailing the lost lives of people I met, and how it was caused by government "largesse", white liberal guilt, black leftist complicity and overall black societal malaise.
Blacks and whites COORDINATED to keep a class of slaves les! I saw it with my own two eyes! Many of these people were defacto slaves.

Was there any difference between white and black trash? YES! Thanks for asking les!
White trash tended to have more vehicles, LOVED NASCAR and the posters that come with it, and had more above-ground pools in various states of disrepair. They also tended to view their yards as storage sites instead of places for grass to grow.
Black trash tended to have fewer but better kept vehicles, black and gold rent-a-center furniture, black Jesus and black Last Supper prints, Malcolm X posters, NICE TV's, and they also kept their "units" hot, dark and stinking!
They both had dirty-diapered babies running around, spoke atrocious English, and accepted roaches as house pets.

Do these observations apply 100% of the time? Of course not, but they are true nonetheless.

4. Do I gate the working class parents of the kid that was shipped of to Iraq?
Are you kidding me les? Does it hurt you to lie like you do? You may have missed it lessy, but we ADMIRE the hell out of our brave young warriors and we conservatives show it in SO many ways.
The people right HERE who you blog with have sent care packages off to Iraq to some people who I still know out there from my days on active duty. Last I checked they're in Tikrit.
I assume all of their parents are "working class" people. Some of my richest customers work longer hours than I do and they have sons in Iraq and Afghanistan. A good friend of mine, Ron "Doc" Renuart has done FOUR tours in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan.

I assume that the parents of our warriors are "working class." I don't see Chelsea Clinton suiting up or any of Kerry's spawn or stepspawn. How about Soros' kids? Do they serve? The left SPITS on our warriors gleefully and then has the temerity to deny it! Class warfare in the "ranks" won't work les.
We Conservatives HONOR our volunteer warriors in words and in deeds.

I'll save the minimum wage discussion for another day. For now maybe you can tell me why Nancy Pelosi has the right to tell me how much I HAVE to pay my employees?
Lessy I KNOW you can do it. :-)


6:49 AM  
Blogger JINGOIST said...

TMW that was a heck of a rant! Well done! Very poetic too.


7:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't hate the ''unionized firefighter who voted for Kerry''. Do you ever see anything resembling ''hate'' here bozo? I'll be honest, I hate Muslims, you can't tell me I can't hate people who want to kill me and I'm not too crazy about you either, but hate? Hate is too much of an emotional investment to make on a worthless hack politican like John Kerry or Hillary Clinton, or you. Disgust is more the word to use, disgust at the DU types is more the operating emotion among conservatives. J'Mac.

8:59 AM  
Blogger The Merry Widow said...

Thamks, Morgan. I got quite a kick out of writing it, it just flowed out of my fingers, BECAUSE it's true!
I am a single mom, not by choice, believe me. We make do on less than $2000/mon. And I am so far from leftista political victimhood! I AM NOT A VICTIM!
That is the crux of the matter, I refuse to be considered or treated as a victim!
I am responsible for what I can do, G*D is responsible for the rest! Not the gubmint!
Now I do have dog hair around the house that needs to be swept up, but stink? Only if my son and the dog have gas at the same time! LOL!
My children NEVER ran around in filthy diapers, I have no vehicles parked in or on my yard, I have grass, I own my own furniture and we have NO DEBT!
So I really get tired of subsidized whiners bellyaching about this country. I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM!
So I could never vote leftista/dhimmicrat, I'm NOT a victim!


9:22 AM  
Blogger Russet Shadows said...

Les, do you ever get tired of making up things from whole cloth? You are such a liar that you must have a personal hotline to Satan.

10:09 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

LES, you have yet to point to a single post here that indicates 'we' hate firefighters (Morgan's own son and our Fishin' Fool are firefighters! And, when I recently put up firefighter memorials, I sure didn't notice any of you Leftists adding your thoughts!), working-class mothers (My mom grew up in a house with a dirt floor for part of her childhood!), troops that ship out (It's YOU folks who keep protesting equipment sent to our Stryker brigades up here! It's YOU Leftists Gathering Of Eagles has to keep from defacing our war memorials! It's you Leftists we have to PRY adequate funding out of in D.C.!) our 'neighbors--or anyone else.

Who DO we despise? Anyone against America, pal. Anyone against democracy, freedom, and living the life God gave us!

10:21 AM  
Anonymous bobcat said...

Lessy's problem is that he never thinks WE are the cops, firefighters, troops, single parents etc. that his heart supposedly bleeds all over for. He thinks we are something other than 'the people'.

The left won't ever truly wise up until it realizes we ARE 'the people'--and that there's more of us out here than they know.

Maybe if they'd smarten up enough for that they'd 'know' how Bush won the last two elections without resorting to their 'they cheated' blubbering.

11:00 AM  
Anonymous z said...

les, who the HECK hates hard workers, or parents of soldiers? What is wrong with you? Where do you get this sickening hate that forces you to believe everybody hates as you and DU do?

We only 'hate' Americans who have gone so far from the dream of self-reliance and pride in independence that they're willing to vote for socialists who'll rob future generations of that dream.

Read tmw's post...a single mom who's making it on nothing and proud to do so. That is America, bub. Her post brought tears to my eyes, while it must be revolting for you to realize not all conservatives are filthy rich and uncaring.

Please, show us where anybody said they hate firefighters or hard working people.

11:35 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

You good folks are kickin' butt this morning! Go to it, friends!

11:43 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

And, actually, Les--I don't 'send' anybody to DU (you ever hear of free will?). I bring their posts here and only provide the links in the interest of fairness (something Scotty Beauchump ought to try).

DU is representative of the Leftist position in the United States, all the Lefty blogs I've ever seen, and the majority of the activist Democrats. We need to know what fuels your uneducated, elitist hippy flipdip crapola.

11:52 AM  
Blogger Les Ismore said...

Wow, what a response. The spittle of hatred is just drippoing from my screen. Let me go wash up from Moe's hateful rant....

Ah, much better. Now. I guess Morgan you answered my very simple question with a resounding "No, I will never tire of hating". Thanks for the response.

I hate to tell you Moe but your son, the guy in your bunk on your ship, the man who gave you your donuts and the cop you know are what is called anecdotal evidence. It is always discounted and usually laughed out of any sample. You have once again proved the point.

My point, for those who need to hear it again is this. The hate that you spew here for Democrats (like NYC firefighters Moe. Would you kill them also if they voted for Hillary???), simply take a look at your posts. You hate Democrats and therefore you hate firefighters, cops, teachers, sanitation workers, waitresses, CEOs, PhDs, Deans, MDs, juat about everyone.

Morgan, sorry, I forgot, you think our troops are the Brave Republican Guard. Here to kill the lefties (their parents, friends and relatives in many cases). Well, I hate to break this to you Moe but the demographics of the armed services mirror America. Sorry man, but if wishes were ponies, right?

11:55 AM  
Blogger Les Ismore said...

As I said, compare and contrast the responses between the two websites. Just incredible.

12:07 PM  
Blogger The Merry Widow said...

Yes, less, I agree. There is a huge difference in the comments and commentors.
There you read; hate, whining, bellyaching, suicidal, depressed, angry(no, way past angery-ragefilled) screeds. THAT MAKE LITTLE OR NO SENSE!
Over here you find, humor, good wishes, logic, respect and sanity.
If you prefer the other, go...don't let the door hit your backside on the way out.
As for me, I prefer hanging with the "red staters", they actually can speak, or wtite, about something other than, hate, hate, hate...


12:17 PM  
Blogger The Merry Widow said...

I can even correct my own errors, OH, I can also admit to my own errors too.


12:21 PM  
Blogger Les Ismore said...

Actually it is more like at DU you read hate for Bush, Cheney, incompetence and corruption. Here we read hate for NYC firefighters, the teacher down the street, anyone attempting to exercise their 1st amendment rights, gays, people who work for morgan, union members, AND anyone who voted for Al Gore or John Kerry and even wished they did.

12:46 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

LES--First, Morgan's name is 'Morgan'--don't bastardize it into anything else or that post will be removed. Second, please prove what you say.

Point out the posts that back up 'Here we read hate for NYC firefighters, the teacher down the street, anyone attempting to exercise their 1st amendment rights, gays, people who work for morgan, union members, AND anyone who voted for Al Gore or John Kerry and even wished they did. (Morgan's son happens to BE a firefighter, Also, our dear Fishin' Fool--a member of our clubhouse--IS a firefighter back east, our dear AoW is a teacher, I have taught, TMW has also, nobody here has ever spoken against gays, the people who work for Morgan(???) or union members. My dad was a Teamster all his life. You have absolutely no idea who we are and what we believe.)

Withpout proof of these things, you are damaging your credibility beyond repair--and looking mighty foolish while you do so.

1:14 PM  
Blogger The Merry Widow said...

less-You are degenerating into the silly again. You are implying and reading into people's comments what you want to see, NOT what was said.
Put some clean glasses on and try again.
I have not run into any hate or disdain here, even though I'm a single mom, basically living near the poverty level. I have never heard anyone disparage the;police, firefighters, military, poor or any other member of the people the dhimmicrats claim for their "big tent".
Quite the opposite. It is you and anonymouse(yes, I did that on purpose)and some others that do that. And then try to smear us!
But since we don't swim in sewers or cesspools, it becomes rather obvious when a leftista "tries" to twist and pervert. You aren't very good at it. And if you think that was have a very sckewed way of looking at things, rather infantile actually.


1:22 PM  
Blogger JINGOIST said...

Les you are a true moron. Every single life lesson that was written here has managed to bounce off you as though you didn't give a good damn! That's not "anecdotal" either les, it's demonstrable. What a complete ass.


1:53 PM  
Anonymous z said...

les, you said...."You hate Democrats and therefore you hate firefighters, cops, teachers, sanitation workers, waitresses, CEOs, PhDs, Deans, MDs, juat about everyone."

Could you give us ONE example where that extrapolation of yours applies? thanks. I'm eager to hear it.

I thought you were a leftie we could deal with her, someone to really toss ideas around with. I was so sorry to read these ridiculous lines in your post. There are more, of course, but these stuck out. We don't hate anyone, les. maybe that's the difference?

2:12 PM  
Blogger Russet Shadows said...

Verity, you could make a post called, "The Ten Great Spankings of Les" and link to this post and quite a few others. I'm thinking particularly of that one article you wrote addressed to him where you flat-out disemboweled his positions. Then, whenever Les pops up, we could just say, "Already been spanked," and just link to the URL.

2:53 PM  
Blogger Russet Shadows said...

Oh, by the way, it's typical leftist "thought" to define any opposition as "hateful". The step after that is criminalization of said "hate", which paves the way to the one-party utopia that they all secretly dream about -- with themselves as the rulers.

Les is a master of one thing -- spouting insane gibberish. I wouldn't be surprised if he and John Brown don't have some connection.

2:58 PM  
Blogger JINGOIST said...

Ladies and gents this has been a good, old-fashioned ideological smack down! Lessy got his ass whooped but GOOD! And he was beat down with facts and logic, but to the left that's "hate speech." Well done folks.


7:51 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

RS--Loved your "Les Spankings". We're still laughing here!

10:29 PM  
Blogger The Merry Widow said...

RS-He's more like uptown seteve! LOL!
uppity is twitty too, waltzs around inconvenient questions and facts, parrots the leftista party line, reoeats himself(boringly so),and thinks he is excessively clever!
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!


3:08 AM  
Anonymous cassie said...

Les, you're sure losing any respect we had for you. Why do you make such childish postings?

9:59 AM  

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