If It's MoveOn.org, It Must Be Democrat
GENERAL PETRAEUS OR
Cooking the Books For the White House
General Petraeus is a military man constantly at war with the facts. In 2004, just before the election, he said therewas "tangible progress" in Iraq and that "Iraqi leaders are stepping forward." And last week Petraeus, the architect of the escalation of troops in Iraq, said, "We say we have achieved progress, and we are obviously going to do everything we can to build on that progress."
Every independent report on the ground situation in Iraq shows that the surge strategy has failed. Yet the General claims a reduction in violence. That's because, according to the New York Times, the Pentagon has adopted a bizarre formula for keeping tabs on violence. For example, deaths by car bombs don't count. The Washington Post reported that assassinations only count if you're shot in the back of the head - not the front. According to the AssociatedPress, there have been more civilian deaths and more American soldier deaths in the past three months than in any other summer we've been there. We'll hear of neighborhoods where violence has decreased. But we won't hear that those neighborhoods have been ethnically cleansed.
Most importantly, General Petraeus will not admit what everyone knows: Iraq is mired in an unwinnable religious civil war. We may hear of a plan to withdraw a few thousand American troops. But we won't hear what Americans are desperate to hear: a timetable for withdrawing all our troops. General Petraeus has actually said American troops will need to stay in Iraq for as long as ten years.
Today, before Congress and before the American people, General Petraeus is likely to become General Betray Us.
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Here is the traitorous ad the NYT's broke it's neck printing about General Petraeus' September report. It took a bit of work to find it; evidently a few pages that linked to it were suddenly 'unable to find' after criticism about it broke late today.
It echoes every talking point Democrat Party members/Leftists screamed from the ranks of CodePink, was announced by reporters, or came out of the mouths of Dems on the hill. Read it yourself and wonder just exactly whose side are they on. It's so palpable; they want us to lose.
I'm sure tomorrow will bring forth the obligatory pee of Democrat shills, trying to con us into thinking they are 'outraged' about the ad, or that it 'went too far'.
Pity those with all their multi-millions of dollars, gazillion party members, lackeys in the press, influential people, fellow members of MoveOn.org, insiders, writers, professors, politicians, journalists, media personalities, ReidMurthaKennedy-ClyburnLantosBidenShumerClintonClintonConyersKerryEllisonEdwardsObama-RichardsonKucinichRangelBoxerPelosicrats etc. 'didn't have a square to spare' to staunch the flow of these hateful, anti-American, treasonous, cowardly words--and what they imply.
They'll say they 'didn't know about it in advance'--and 'couldn't do anything about it' once it had been published--riiiiiiight! (I guess the left hand doesn't know what the Left hand is doing...) Those few Demmies who're going to get up in front of mics whizzin' their britches tomorrow, about how this ad 'was over the top', can just f***ing save it.
VerityINK/DONAL
Did you actually read this? Apparently not. I see a recount of his own words, not treason. Of course in WingnutWorld, facts are treasonous.
Les Ismore 3:44 AM
LES--You just lost your decency award for today. I'm gonna let yer have it:
You think we're so damned stupid we don't know what the heck MoveOn, CodePink, Demmies, Leftists, Greenies, Liberals--and all the rest of the hippy flipdip trash is trying to do?
You think I don't hear a snide, snarky, superior--belittling, denigrating--tone from you people in this ad and in every other trashy word that comes out of your mouths?
These sure as hell aren't the only words you people have said about the good General, now, are they? I see Democrats call him a liar (just what do you think the phrase 'Betray Us' is--a COMPLIMENT???) I, and every other good American has heard you all--YES DAMMIT I MEAN YOU ALL!--call him a shill, a puppet, the report a lie--and with Bush's hand up his back (if not his backside!)
We've ALL heard you deny the report, say you don't believe it, it can't be true, it's a fabrication--and anything else you can get away with spouting. It's gone all the way around the world and now you have Bin Laden/Binny's Twin spouting rhetoric FROM THE DEMOCRAT PARTY HEADQUARTERS, AND HIGHER-UPS, HIMSELF!
These are the 'General's words'--AND SAY 'SIR' WHEN YOU ADDRESS THAT OFFICER!!!---?????????????? My right eye they're HIS words!
General Petraeus couldn't think up that partisan, over-emotional, self-pitying, factless, drivel if he tried--he's an educated man, remember (and I don't mean by ol' Noam Chomsky and his brand of American-MIT-paycheck-forever anti-capitalism!)
We all know that MoveOn.org is nothing more than a communist front--and if you all don't know that you're worse dupes than I thought. They want to bring America down--they have for quite some time--and they manage to inveigle you idiots into either helping them unwittingly--or worse--agreeing with them and helping them destroy the best country God ever made ON PURPOSE.
Either way, there's no way on earth you can pretend this idiocy from YOU PEOPLE is anything other than what it was and IS--LEFTIST, ANTI-AMERICAN, TRAITOROUS, GARBAGE that can go straight to hell!
And this has been a long time coming. You trash think you can slither around doing your damage, dropping your media bombs, maligning this country and our leaders, hoping, PLANNING on us losing the war--and the rest of us will not fight back? Well, this was MY last straw--and the last straw of a LOT of people out here.
TODAY, I write a check to FRED'S campaign, and one to Gathering Of Eagles (some of you and yours have destroyed some names on the Viet Nam Wall and the rest of us need to clean up after you people and make sure the rest of OUR monuments are protected from you--as we will protect this entire country.)
In a nutshell: Stupid, you have tipped your hand and shown all your cards. You may win a hand or two but, at the END of the day, YOU'RE GOING HOME BUSTED.
VerityINK/DONAL
It doesn't matter what any of these liars have to say about General Petraeus. They had absolutely NOTHING, whatsoever, to do with making this man who he is.
The lofty rung on the ladder of success this man stands on, was achieved by his own efforts. His critics have no excellence, no stellar achievements to point to with pride. They cannot undermine who the General is, what he's achieved, or what he's accomplished.
This man is real, what he says you can stake your entire fortune on, you can risk your very life, for his word is worth more than all the lives of every liberal on the planet.
Liberals, no matter how many full page ads they take out attempting to defile this great man, only sully themselves further, every time they fire a shot at him.
"You can't shine shit," as my father used to say, definitely applies to liberals.
"Cream will rise," he also said. This is ... General Petraeus.
Patsy
posted by VerityINK at 9:54 PM
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Because people like Les don't understand, much less have, things like honor and integrity, they naturally assume everyone else is like them -- lying, cowardly, bottom-feeding scum.
Les will die not knowing because what passes for a brain in that pointy skull has turned to complete mush from all the liberal agitprop and propaganda it has sucked up like a sponge.
He will never know.
But his kind WILL be stopped.
Arnold
Hey, Good morning Viet Naaaaaam! Wonderful rant, Donal - I couldn't have said it better myself!
Good for you for putting Lessy up on the front page. Him and his NEED to be exposed for the vermin they are.
"what Americans are desperate to hear..."
Do they really know what
Americans are desperate to hear?
As an American, I want to hear how all Americans support their country. I want to hear how the media supports our President and our troops. I want to hear how much our citizens love the country where they were born.
Patsy, yours has been moved to the front! Good job!
A couple more items.
Dont confuse my posts with others. Remember that the Democratic Party is a big tent. Comparing my thoughts on this with some of the posters on DU is like saying that all of the Republicans are out cruising for gay sex in public bathrooms. I know that isnt true but you like to paint with a very broad brush. Democrats are for the war and against the war. We are vets, we are policemen, we are firemen, we are teachers, we are professors, we run multimillion dollar businesses and we run small ones as well. This "you and your kind" destroys any credibility you have because no one, except maybe Morgan believes that.
Patsy,
No one is defiling this man, and he is a great man. I have met him.
People want to end this war because Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Even Bush says this now. My problem is his manipulation of the facts for political purposes is extending this war.
Les--Hold your horses, I was attempting to put your piece on the front and it accidentally got dumped. You're free to post it again.
LES--First of all, this is MY blog and I'll delete what I please. Anyone who doesn't like it is free to post elsewhere. If you can't understand how an accident can happen on a busy day like today you're just as paranoid as I thought.
Secondly, it is not ME who started this 'we vs. them' business--YOU ALL started it--John Edwards with his 'two Americas', all kinds of 'us-the-good-people-Dems' vs. the 'evil chimpMcBurton Republicans', so don't hang that on me.
WE ARE the ones that have been stupid thinking you are part of America that loves America. You are NOT--and I am through giving you the benefit of the doubt.
There's a HUGE difference in saying, just like we're not all L. Craig, you're not all anti-America CodePinkers. Craig was ONE MAN with a personal failing (so it would be difficult for anyone to ascribe his behavior to huge numbers--and he wasn't doing it in full page ads in the NYT, in any case.)
However you anti-Americans ARE huge in number--and you ARE acting that way in plain sight:
We see your behavior overseas, in Syria, from the Senate, from Congress, from each Dem campaign office, off bumperstickers, on protest signs, getting arrested in the Capitol bldg., ruining a piece of the Viet Nam War Memorial wall, slashing SUV tires on the way to GOP voting, keying our 'W' stickered cars, calling the Blue Angels 'war machines' in our elevators and trying to throw them out of San Francisco, evicting ROTC programs from high schools, underfunding the troops and protesting whenever needed equipment is sent to them, making timelines for our withdrawal that helps the enemy forces.
We hear it out of Bin Laden's mouth as he touts Demmie talking points and chides you for not living up to what he wants, what you said you would do (which happen to be the same thing!), we see the Dems in Congress either say the war is lost--in advance of really knowing--or crowing with glee when we have a setback. We see you anti-Americans pass around C. Objector pamphlets so you can fake having a conscience to get out of fighting for America and try to teach that to others. We hear you call the President 'Chimpy' (and, if YOU don't, you don't protest the ones who do...), call for Cheney's death, launch 300 plus investigations to clog up government just so you can 'punish' us for the sins of Bill Clinton coming to light, make excuses and fail to take responsibility for ANY wrongdoing by ANY Dem, witchhunt Libby and Rumsfeld, collaborate with ANY other government but ours, denigrate ANY other politician in the world that actually likes us or the Bush administration, blame us/Bush for every single failing that happens in America--from bridges that have not been maintained under DEMS, to acts of God and the irresponsibility of others. And I could go on and make this list the rest of the day and still not be done with it.
That HARDLY compares with Larry Craig's singular personal habits, so be careful who you compare--and to what. Your traitorous, anti-American behavior is EVERYWHERE.
Of course you 'are the vets, the policemen, the firemen, the teachers, the professors, and run multimillion dollar businesses and we run small ones as well'--No one said you weren't, or didn't!
WE are the vets, we are policemen, we are firemen, we are teachers, we are professors, we run multimillion dollar businesses and we run small ones as well--AND we love this country, support our leaders, fight for her when needed, and think she's the best country that God ever made. THAT'S the difference between our two groups.
In regards to what I can remember of your other post I accidentally dumped--my thinking is just fine and perfectly clear. I am only taking you all AT YOUR WORD (the same as I do Osama.)
Les, you say "No one is defiling this man"
That is pure-D BULLSHIT and you damn well know it!
MoveOn.org took out a full page ad in the NY Times to do just that!
Congressman Lantos yesterday called the man a liar with his "I don't buy it" phrase.
There is a massive attack campaign ongoing against General Petraeus and every other American citizen who wants to continue to fight this war.
You say there is no connection with 9/11 and Iraq. Prove it. You cannot prove it. The fact is, Saddam Hussein was involved, helped train the hijackers at Salman Pak, a terrorist training camp southwest of Baghdad.
Iraq was a major terror threat to us. So is Iran, so Syria.
We are going to have to fight this war as long as it is going to take. You guys want time lines and there aren't any. This is war.
It will be over when we win & the enemy surrenders.
To hell with 9/11 and Iraq! LES, there was no relation between Normandy or Anzio and Pearl Harbor, but we damn well landed on those beaches and fought the SAME WAR!
Why can't you Demmies EVER think about more than one thing at a time? You tell us to think, YOU people can't think past your nose!
Do I have to yet AGAIN run down the 17 UN resolutions Saddam broke for more than a decade? His trying to get WMD's? His gassing his own people? His harboring terrorists? His paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers? His not allowing decent weapons inspections? His threatening us and Israel? His constant declarations that he was going nuclear/bio/chem weapons crazy and attack us or Israel--or whomever he wanted?
Why are you Leftists SO willing to sacrifice Tel Aviv or Haifa or NYC or Atlanta or Philly or Athens or Dubai or Rome or Cyprus or the Strait Of Hormuz/Persian Gulf etc. etc. etc. BEFORE you'll lift a finger to do something (and I'm not sure you'd do something even then!)
NUCLEAR WEAPONS HAS CHANGED THE EQUATION! We can no longer wait until after a 'sacrifice city' has gone down before we can then pat ourselves on the back and say 'yup, NOOOOOOOOOW we can do something!'. We have to preempt in this day and age for EVERYBODY to be safe.
I'M NOT WILLING TO LOSE AN L.A. OR TRENTON OR JACKSONVILLE OR HOUSTON OR SEATTLE OR PORTLAND or JERUSALEM--OR A PARIS, MADRID, SAO PAULO, OR RIO EITHER!
And preemption means that there is ALWAYS the possibility that we'll be wrong or too soon or target wrongly.
That's the breaks. Maybe those nations that wish to get WMD's and threaten other countries because of Islam or any other damned excuse need to think about that FIRST. It's on THEM--it's only easier for you to blame us!
And Patsy, AMEN--You hit the nail on the head. MoveOn and the NYT weren't crafting wedding invites together! They wanted to defame the General and that's that!
I suppose Les will deny this and tapdance around it all damn day. The only reason the NYT ad used Petraeus' own words was to make fun of him!
Sadly you confuse criticism of a policy with criticism of a policy maker.
Tell me something. Do you really think this administrations leadership is worthy of the sacrifices of our men and women in Iraq?
And before you answer that you never know what is going to happen in war, remember, people knew about the insurgency, people knew Iran might somehow try to weigh in on this, it is just Bush and his cronies refused to listen.
So, lets talk policy and not policy makers here. Do you think the plan that Bush, Rummy, and the rest of that crew was well thought out and spared no expense to keep our men and women safe?
LES, sadly, you lack basic comprhension skills. Patsy and I are not talking about some damnable esoteric bullshit about a 'policy'. We're talking about the very real names that Bush--his whole administration--and General Petraeus are being slandered with. Were talking about you people calling him a liar, oportunist, and doing this all ONLY for his own personal ambition. Now, explain to me now how THAT is about 'the policy'???????
How is destroying the Viet Nam Wall about 'the policy'? How is keying our cars, slashing GOP tires, preventing white voters from voting, protesting heavy equipment--needed supplies!-- going out of Ft. Lewis to Iraq, threatening to stop all funding if John Murtha doesn't get his earmarks, trying (and failing) to barbeque Scooter Libby and ruin his life--and all the other stuff I mentioned--ABOUT 'THE POLICY'?????
THE THINGS YOU AND YOURS ARE DOING ARE VERY PERSONAL, THEY ARE PERSONALLY DIRECTED, HAVEN'T A DAMN THING TO DO WITH POLICY, AND ARE MEANT SIMPLY TO HURT AND RUIN REPUBLICAN LIVES.
EXPLAIN HOW IN THE HELL ANYTHING I'VE MENTIONED ON THIS PAGE ADDRESSES ONLY POLICY AND DOES NOT HURT A REPUBLICAN IN A PERSONAL, INDIVIDUAL WAY....
Tick tock....
(HINT: The way you change policy is to vote someone into office who supports your policies. Period. It's called the democratic system--it's SO FUNNY your party is supposedly named after it and you people don't have the slightest idea what it means!)
As bloody goddamn usual LES, you are asking the WRONG fucking question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's is not about THIS ADMINISTRATION'S LEADERSHIP being worthy of the sacrifices of our men and women in Iraq?
You stupid MORON, when are you going to get it thru your thick skull this is about OUR COUNTRY'S SURVIVAL, YOUR COUNTRY, LES??????
This isn't political, this is about security. This is about enemies who want to end your way of life. It isn't about George W. Bush and his political philoshy.
You idiotic liberals hate him so much, hate Republicans so much, you would rather see us all killed than pull together with us, unite as Americans to fight Islamic terrorists.
For God's sakes, just stop it. Enough, already.
As to your second question: I think war in the middle east is very difficult. Moreso because you Democrats are proving to be more of an enemy than Osama has been and we have to fight you both.
I think Bush has had laudable goals and I believe in them. If you study Israeli news sources--which often have news American stations don't carry--you'd know that the muslims just aren't going to leave anything alone.
At ANY point we engaged them it was going to be a g*ddamn mess--more if we wait. You Demmies, since Nam have totally hamstrung our fighting forces and fighting spirit.
But Bush has wanted to do the right thing. He has had flawed people underneath him, he has made mistakes in putting his faith in people that did not have the requisite skills, he has not always delegated well, and his timing might well have been better. But not because he's all the things you say he is--stupid, evil, in it for oil, death-hungry, mentally ill, in a conspiracy etc. (all the crap I hear at BuzzFlash, Indymedia, KOS, DU, HuffPo, MSNBC, the alphabets, CNN etc.)
Thus, yes I DO believe the goals he had in mind were the right ones to have. The execution could've been better--but you Democrats are responsible for that, too.
Patsy and Donal -- y'all just lost my respect with the tossing around of profanities and blasphemies.
Les and his traitorous ilk have already won if you've allowed him to push your buttons that badly.
And, to your last remark, LES, Patsy is right. You keep tapdancing around the wrong question. Yes, I DO believe the government has done it's dead level best to keep our troops safe. To believe anything else would mean that thousands of people in the government, military, state dept. CIA, FBI, hell, even the procurement office!--that are nothing but pure EVIL. And no, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ABOUT MY FELLOW AMERICANS. (I don't even believe that about every single muslim who walks the face of this earth...)
I know you won't read anything with depth--or longer than a headline--but go to my sidebar and click on EjectEjectEject and read Bill Whittle's Web of Trust--and his other stuff in that area. Maybe it will inject a little realism, reasonableness, and humanity into your view of the rest of us so you can stop keying cars and thinking Bush is the anti-Christ and look at what's REALLY important.
Sometimes, LES, you seem so damned young! My husband and I were counseled by a preacher who survived Pearl Harbor at ground zero as a sailor. I forget what ship he was on. Only when you get a better grasp of history will you understand that our way of life CAN go in the crapper--esp. if folks like you are more concerned with razzle-dazzle sillyputty like Globaloney Warming!
(Do you really think the muslims give a damn how hot it gets? Then you shouldn't be giving them such a hand up!)
Well, RS, you'll have to find a way to ressurect it--Patsy and I asometimes talk this way when we're upset--and that's just the way it is.
Surely, it is not the sole measure of a human being. If it is, you're not measuring the right things.
P.S. And it isn't Les that's pushing our buttons--it's a great deal more than THAT.
Russet Shadows - I can understand where the girls are coming from. Perhaps you'd have gotten a little farther with it if you had, yourself, approached them with the love/understanding/decency - or whatever you call it - that you wanted them to show.
It was just a thought..
I do apologize Russell for having offended you. The truth is I am furious and have been for days. I cannot get over my anger at Congressman Dennis Kucinich's trip to Syria and his treason. I am so mad I can't see straight. And I am just not in the mood to take any more liberal crap from Les. Plus I have the flu and don't feel well. I guess I am not fit company for man nor beast. Sorry for my behavior. Please forgive me.
Thank you, Patsy. That was very nice of you--I know how sick you've been. What really pushed my buttons was Kucinich AND that communist ad from MoveOn and the NYT printing it (when was the last time they used that much ink to print something GOOD about America?) that was so nasty to General Petraeus.
And Les was pretending it was all about policy! HA!
As far as the weakness of the flesh goes, I've been up since 3 a.m. when some jets to Whidbey flew over and woke me and I have a charley horse in a back muscle that's giving me fits. Maybe us gals are just not fit for man nor beast--nor, evidently, our nice poster, RS. I regret that.
Thanks, Cassie for trying to give us a boost to our spirits--we did/do need one. But there's no sense not owning up to the fact we said what we said, we DO talk that way sometimes, and today was one of those days.
Donal, don't feel badly. Surely, today of all days, we can extend an extra dose of understanding and forgive any lapse.
You've already earned our respect - you don't have to keep earning it over and over.....
p.s. Patsy, you too!
This general has more dignity , courage , knowledge, patriotism and BRAIN in his pinky than the entire DEMOCRATIC congress .
When we look at him and at them we see with horror what poverty stricken congress we have , a congress that is no longer on the side of AMERICA.
batya
hey, is this a record # of comments? Congrats to everyone!
LES, Not at all, but thank you. Many of the articles here, off and on, have 20-30+ comments. (Morgan and I once had a 100 comment football game! LOL!)
The things Batya writes usually get many comments; the article of Judea Pearl about the movie about his son was a special draw... and some of the pieces on my sidebar--esp. about my father etc.--have gotten a nice lot of them, too--have a look around my site more, Les, and you'll find 'em!
I will do that. In spite of what you and others might think, I am probably one of your more regular readers and I have nothing but respect for you and your blog. I mean that sincerely. It is a forum for everyone to be heard.
Thank you, Les, that was very kind of you to say so.
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