Tuesday, April 24, 2007

Dirty Harry...

Resign Now, Harry Reid
By Rush Limbaugh


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_042307/content/01125112.member.html

Sen. Reid On Iraq: 'Failure Has Been Political'
NewsMax

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/4/23/73853.shtml?s=lh

Talking Of Defeat Is No Way To Win In Iraq
By John O'Sullivan


http://www.suntimes.com/news/osullivan/354477,CST-EDT-osul24.article

26 Comments:

Anonymous Les Ismore said...

This war was won long ago. It is time to get out. Unfortunately Our Leader will never leave on his watch. Instead, he will watch the inevitable happen from his porch in Crawford (will he need to keep that charade). Then he will point his finger and say that he didnt lose Iraq. Well, he lost Iraq when he put politics over competence. If he listend to Shasheski about troop levels. If he listened to his generals on the ground (he didnt and even they were against the escalation). If he didnt put political hacks in charge of reconstruction. He has has so many opportunities to win the peace and each time politics ruled the day.
Believe, he will be mocked in history. Yes, mocked as the most incompetant president of all time. Famous for losing Republican majorities for years to come. The question is, how do we recover from this national nightmare? Do we fire all of the political hacks he has placed in places like the EPA, NIH, NASA, DOJ, and anywhere else he could place someone who will protect him after his term in office? I think we can. And believe me, the 70% of Americans who are counting the day when this nightmare is over will support it.

8:16 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Read every word of this, Les, and then tell me what you have to say...

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/

8:33 AM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

Donal,
I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with 9/11 conspiracies, man on the moon hoaxes or whatever. This has everything to do with taking a debatable but doable notion, overthrowing Hussein, and completely and totally bumbling the entire operation in the name of political expediency. If Bush was any kind of leader he would have led the nation in a shared sacrifice of some sort to pull this nation together. If this is truly the battle of culture that he and others claim it is, why does he exhort folks to 'go shopping'? Why not raise money to have enough troops to actually do what needs to be done in Iraq? Why not send enouugh troops, what the generals recommended were needed to do this right? Why not staff the reconstruction team with competant and experienced personnel rather than filling critical positions with people based on who they voted for in the last election or where they stand on Roe v. Wade? That is what this is all about. Incompetence. And no one, least of all our leader, has been called to sacrifice, other than our brave men and women and the families who support them.
As you know I lost a nephew in Iraq, the finest young man you could ever hope to meet. THAT is sacrifice, not throwing a yellow magenetic ribbon on the back of a car.

9:14 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

That piece I sent you was so long, of course it was about the presidency--and there are more on that site. Why do you leftists always avoid the hard questions--and give no answers back, you change the subject, or say that wasn't the point?

9:51 AM  
Anonymous bobcat said...

LesIsmore, war is not the easy thing you would have it be. You have a totally mistaken notion of how all wars always go. Sometimes the President has delegated badly, to not the best people--but if you can't see this new kind of war was a difficult thing, then you need some perspective.

As far as Bush being 'mocked' goes, at DU, I've seen them say they wouldn't like Bush if he had cured cancer, so you all would hate him in any case. This is political posturing of yours--and theirs--not realistic analysis.

10:19 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Bobcat, I fixed your post...;-)

10:19 AM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

Donal,
What was the point of the post at ejectejecteject? It was a URL with many different posts. I didnt see the relevence to my point about incompetence in the WH.
As always..respectfully,
Les

12:14 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Les, Bill is a wonderful writer who has the answer to all the leftist crap out there, all the fake charges, mountain-out-of-molehills, attempted distractions, made up illegalities, conspiracy theories, Bush-hype, culture of corruption nonsense--and everything else we get from the left.

I mean, name one thing you've ever said was the Dems fault? What's one thing you HAVEN'T tried to blame on Bush? You demand absolute perfection from him--which you've certainly never demanded from a Dem--and then you blame him anyway!

It's all part of the same thing (as much as you'd like to say "what does one thing have to do with the other?") This is all pure politics; you folks haven't done any FAIR analysis of President Bush, nor will you. It's all being done to win the election is '08--and the Dems will stoop as low as they have to to win.

Whittle wrote plenty there about Bush and his abilities; go back and actually read some of his stuff.

12:55 PM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

Well, lets start with a few of the big things.

Iraq: Neocons and President Cheney, leading a weak and ineffectual leader into this fiasco. Incompetence at every level leads to the death of nearly 3500 of Americas finest men and women.

Deficit: Lets see, surpluses under last Democrat, record breaking deficits under the last Republican. Cut taxes at the time of the greatest cultural clash in our history. According to Bush we are fighting for our lives but his answer was to let the Halliburtons and his corporate cronies feed at the public trough while our men and women have to juryrig armor for their Humvees.

9/11: Bush blows off warnings about "Bin Laden Determined to Attack America". Fails to convene a terrorist working group for 9 months after he was warned by the outgoing administration that this is the single most important threat to American security they will face. In office for less than 9 months when the greatest terrorist attack, ever, launched against the United States.

These are not fake charges. The list is huge but this is a start.

5:39 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

1. Cheney isn't the President--and we aren't 'neocons'--we are conservatives or Republicans. We went to war to free Iraq and take Saddam out. He was a horrible man who needed to go--and I believe in giving the Iraqis a chance for freedom. Our troops fighting do, too--that's why they keep reenlisting. I'm surprised you 'compassionate' leftists don't think they deserve it.

It's obvious why we went into Afghanistan.

2. I don't think after trying to blackmail our troops and the American people with a bill stuffed with 24 BILLION of crap for your side you Dems have ANY business talking about any deficit (though I will concede a lot of us true conservatives wish Bush had been more conservative in this regard). War cost money.

3. Clinton did DICK about terrorism for EIGHT YEARS. You don't know what Bush was doing--it'd only been 8 MONTHS. (And frankly, unless you know AT LEAST the approximate target and approximate date of an attack--just those two things to start with--there are far too many ways to prevent a terrorist attack in America between all of our planes, trains, ports, cargo ships, suitcase nukes, Ryder trucks, semis, and what have you, to implement them all, or precisely the right one.

Hell, Clinton gave all our nuke tech to China; it therefore could easily have been one of them).

Atta and his boys lived here from the middle 1990's on (he lived right down the street from sis and me in San Diego) and could've been investigated easily then--had anybody been watching. But our CIA and FBI were torn apart by the Clintons; they couldn't watch, nobody could.

6:43 PM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

My original post said taking Hussein out was debatable but doable. Doing it is not the point, the incompetence of Bush and his little cronies is my point. I am not arguing overthrowing Saddam. I think we should be doing something in Darfur also, but sadly for the people there, there is no oil. Our troops did a monumental, fantastic job in moving into Baghdad in a lightning offensive. But alas, the Bush team was not up to supporting the elite men of our armed forces with the support (armor, medical help when they return) they deserved.

As far as the second point I made, at your request, about the deficit. Well, if I recall, the Democrats were not in power over the last 6 years, only 6 months now, so blaming the disastrous turn of the deficit is just a silly, silly argument. In fact, the Republican have controlled the purse strings of our government since 1994!!!

Finally, hind sight is a great thing. How much did you, me or anyone else think about terrorism before 9/11. Not nearly as much as you claim. The only ones who lived and breathed this stuff were the Richard Clarkes of the world. Certainly not Dick "I will chair a committee on terrorism but there is no rush to do anything about it" Cheney. And George W. "Okay, you have covered your ass by telling me about bin Laden, now go fetch me may mountain bike" Bush.

The bottom line is that if W. paid as much attention on 9/10 to terrorism as he paid to clearing the brush on his "ranch", the world would be a very different place than it is today.

11:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is truly laughable
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/04/25/BL2007042501330.html

Laura Bush claiming no one suffers as much as she and the President do over Iraq.
- Boxer

11:16 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Les, a lot of the reason we have 'incompetence' in the military--or at least inefficiency--because you Lefties have slashed our military, put up a Chinese Wall between our intelligence services, reduced our troop numbers and MADE WAR UNACCEPTABLE.

Now, because of the HUGE PC movement in this county since Viet Nam, our soldiers only fight as gingerly as possible, spending more time on not hitting civilians than we do on HITTING the enemy.

No, if we do, we're pilloried in the press if we do the SLIGHTEST thing wrong--even up to having criminal charges brought up or threatened (as has happened recently.) Our troops have to be oh-so-careful they don't make a misstep or charges of racism will be screamed. The embeds give out news to slant any progress politically.

You Lefties ALREADY picket Walter Reed, hold war protests every 2 weeks, give evil glances to anyone in uniform--ROTC is still banned on many campuses--and look at the way our leaders call you 'stupid' if you enlist.

Our troops know you don't support them in war and that you never will. You folks are just as much of an enemy as the ones we're fighting overseas.

Now, if you think ALL those things make for an effective fighting force, you're wrong. If you want to know where much of the incompetence in our military comes from--it comes from the Left's bootstrapping our troops, trying their hands, and making being a soldier a disrespected profession.

3:27 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

P.S. Les--Even if I'd agree and say --along with you--that the war was won along time ago, we have a MORAL duty to rebuild the country. I find it interesting that you Leftists just don't think the Iraqis deserve at least that much...just like I think they deserve freedom.

When we have so much, how can we NOT help the lesser-given? I just shake my head that lefties think that that would be OK.

3:34 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Boxer, not quite fair of you, there ol' chap.

The reporter said "You know the American people are suffering, watching --"

The first lady replied: "Oh, I know that, very much. And believe me, no one suffers more than their president and I do when we watch this.

Laura was only equating her suffering with that of other Americans who sufffer when they watch it (on TV, too)

She was NOT saying she suffered more than the wounded, or those fighting and seeing a friend killed, or a wife who waits for her husband to come home,or loses their family, or gets shipped out etc.

There's a bit of a difference there, but nice try.

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

Verityink,
If you reread my posts here, I NEVER said, nor implied our military was or is incompetent. The incompetence runs deep in the current Bush administration. It is as simple as that. Our military is lean, mean and efficient. It is the civilian leadership that reeks of incompetence.

And this... "Our troops know you don't support them in war and that you never will. You folks are just as much of an enemy as the ones we're fighting overseas."

First of all, over half our troops are Democrats. Secondly 70% of the country wants OUT of Iraq. That means the parents, brothers, sisters, children of our troops. To imply that Democrats are as much as an enemy is shameful Donal. Do you think 70% of the country is YOUR enemy? Did you mean to say that my sister, whose only son, died at the hands of a sniper in Iraq, is the enemy of the troops did you? Or any other grieving family who happened to vote for competent leadership in the last election is an enemy of the troops.

The real enemy of the troops are the people who left them to police a civil war long after we achieved victory. The real enemy are the people who sent them into battle without proper body armor. The real enemy of the troops are the incompetent leaders who would rather wait out their terms in office rather than face the consequences of their political actions.

To equate a realistic stance in Iraq, that is to get out on a reasonable timetable, with the killers, insurgents and terrorists is just shameful.

And yes, we need to rebuild Iraq but it will never happen with the corrupt incompetent crew that is in office now.

3:06 AM  
Anonymous Stat Guy said...

And then there was this.
http://www.first-draft.com/2007/04/merica_hates_bu.html
Pretty damning poll results. And President Bush is sitting at 28% approval rating according to WSJ.

I dont think this is because America doesnt have the patience or the wherewithall to wait it out in Iraq. I think Americans are finally seeing behind the curtain that our President is "all hat and no cattle" as they say in Texas.

6:41 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Les, I usually don't like language this harsh on my blog, but I'm going to make an exception. You've asked about whether I feel Democrats are OUR enemy and said I'm shameful for thinking so. Well, here's a random post from DU. No, Les, I am quite sure that this person is NOT my friend:

I hope the hell I live long enough to see this war end & these fascists get PUNISHED! I'm not sick, just sick and fucking too, too tired of these monsters in suits murdering all these people right in front of our eyes like it's supposed to be fucking normal, THIS BULLSHIT HAS GOT TO STOP and I just hope the fuck I live long enough to see our people come home from hell and into our welcome arms and these scumbag fucking fascist, Nazi pigs get the prosecution and imprisonment they all deserve and some sense of order established again in my country, and I am so, so fucking tired of waiting.

I just hope I have enough years in me to see this glorious day, I'd hate like FUCK to die with all these mother fuckers still in full, hell bound control of the former United fucking States of America.

I'll hang on as long as I can to just possibly get the chance to see this happen, and I'll be god damned if I'm going to just lay down and fucking die for these fuckers without raising some bloody hell founding father style.

How bout you?


There are thousands of such posts at DU; I'll let them speak for themselves.

7:06 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

P.S. I do not believe that 70% of the country is Democrat... and I don't think the number of Democrat troops we have is nearly as high as you claim. That flies in the face of common sense.

Why would people who fundamentally don't believe in war, who bitch and protest every time we fight one, and who don't think that we should be exporting any type of democracy bother to enlist? That's silly logic, Les.

7:21 AM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

Verityink,
The quote from DU was not referring to our troops but was referring the the incompetent hacks running our country. I am ashamed of the person who wrote that because like I have said many times before, these are our fellow Americans he is referring to. I saw many posts like that at LGF and other hate sites during the Clinton administration. Just sickening quotes describing Chelsea Clinton. Shameful.

The 70% figure is not the number of Democrats, it is the number who feel this country is on the wrong track. The Dem/Repub split is more like 55/45. The number of Dems in the military is close to 50/50, much like the rest of the country. Thankfully, you dont have to be a Democrat to see the wrong direction this great nation is headed under an incompetent leader such as Bush. That 70% has a substantial number of Republicans claiming that as well. Just as a number of Democrats believe that Bush is doing a good job. It just isnt as black and white as ones view on the war might seem to make it.

And your generalizations about the DemocraTIC party are noted. But look at whose party leaders actually served their country? Take a count starting from the top with Bush (National Guard then AWOL), Cheney (5 deferments), Delay (Nope, claimed he couldnt serve because all of the minorities got the good spots in Nam), McCain (yes, a true hero)... Let see. Reid (yes), Kerry (yes) Gore (yes)... I think we have you on this one, big time when you look at the entire list of leadership. It isnt even close. So, who supports the military, who joins the military? Not the Patrician party, for sure.

Respectfully,
Les

7:49 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Your right, Les, Bill Clinton served honorably and won the Congressional medal of honor... (You know, Les, this argument doesn't ever wash with me because I consider holding a high office governmental service, too.

Except for my jab here, I've never criticized Clinton for not serving in the military.

Not everyone is suited to it, but those in government who did not still found a way to serve their country. And, as an aside--and to be fair--I really think you have to take Cheney off the list; I don't think his heart would EVER have allowed him to server in a combat position--and that's not his fault.)

And I know what the quote I sent meant--he meant it for all of us Republicans and, no, that person will never be on my side, will never be my friend. Anybody that could hate their own country that much is mentally deranged.

Kerry was the WORST sort of traitor--he was less than useful in Viet Nam, did it to aggrandize himself only and manufactured his medal--release home. He came back to slander his own men; I'll NEVER accept him as a 'military hero! Gore: his daddy paid a body guard to travel with him--and he was nothing but a journalist. I've never heard that he served in combat, so he goes, too. Your list is looking pretty slim now--and, actually, you Lefties ALWAYS try and distract with this old argument.

I agree that there are many disgusting comments about Chelsey that should not have been made. Can you also express regret for YOUR side's references to Barbara and Jenna? Let's see...

11:27 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

"Just as a number of Democrats believe that Bush is doing a good job."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've got a good sense of humor, Les! (And to generalize, evenize, rationalize a point out of existence is to make a non-point.)

11:30 AM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

Lets not forget, Cheney got his deferments, not for medical conditions but for other reasons. College, marriage and then being a father. Like 99% of all heart conditions, it presents itself after the age of 50. He does not get a pass by anyone. His own words were, " I had other priorities" during Viet Nam. Priorities like keeping his butt stateside. Gore had a bodyguard??? Puhhhlease! That is the funniest canard I have heard yet. And your slurs on Kerry are just that. The most vile of slurs. All of the allegations have been proven false. Even the guy who paid for it admitted he had no idea his money would be used for such low political attacks. This article here gives a pretty good summary of the current status of the swift boat crew.
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200704180002

I never said any of these men, with the exception of McCain, was a hero, simply that they served.

And I agree that not everyone can or should be in the military. I admire your opinion on that. Like I mentioned earlier, being in the military does not give me or anyone else any more insight into discussing foreign policy or defense policy. It does give us first hand knowledge of the effects of those policys as Jingo has pointed out so well in a previous post.

12:32 PM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

LES--Heh he he I KNEW you couldn't/wouldn't say your side was wrong for the lousy crap it said about Jenna and Barbara. No, you Lefties just criticize those on the right that talked about Chelsey.

Typical Lefty, Les, ya disappoint me!

9:47 PM  
Anonymous Les Ismore said...

Donal,
Anyone who talks about Bush's children like that is wrong. Period. No excuse. They are innocent bystanders in all of this.

10:13 AM  
Blogger VerityINK said...

Les Ismore: Here's the straight dope on Bush from Rush Limbaugh--and I agree with every single word of it:

"Do you think Bush is going to go down in history as the worst president ever?"

I said, "Nope. By the time you and I are dead and historians start writing the history of this period, George W. Bush, in the area of foreign policy, is going to be recognized as one of the top five presidents for actually taking a squalid status quo and American foreign policy and American view of itself in the world and transforming it in meaningful ways as James Monroe did and a couple of other presidents. This is not going to happen in our lifetime because the people who write immediate history are the people that hate Bush."

But when we're all gone, folks, the history of what has been attempted here in Iraq (and what will work, by the way), eventually down the line, he's going to be credited with sticking to it with a great vision.

10:25 AM  

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